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Post by Southbound on May 7, 2009 22:16:16 GMT -6
... I thought this topic was about "private mods & opinions"
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Post by mondo on May 7, 2009 22:37:40 GMT -6
those were quit the opinions
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Post by Chris on May 7, 2009 23:30:49 GMT -6
you a box too, chris you wanna tellme that you´re us coe´s don´t look like boxes? Of course. ;D Anyways, back on topic or i'm gonna delete some posts.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2009 23:40:33 GMT -6
private mods i think its cool sum call it harsh sum call it cool my point is private mods would actually motivate sumone to create there own mods
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Post by Mitch on May 8, 2009 1:33:12 GMT -6
Well, I always release my stuff. The only 'private' stuff I have are things that others have sent me, or stuff that I'm still working on. I want to get everything that I have released some time or another.
The thing is, if something is locked or leaked, people who get it, won't want to blatantly say 'hey, this guy made this', because they'll instantly be found out. That's mostly why people don't give credits.
Ever since I started releasing stuff, I've never had a problem with anyone using my mods without permission. Even if I put in the readme 'DO WHAT YOU WANT', I still get emails 'can I use your shit?'
Whatever though, that's my opinion. I know I won't change anyone's opinion.
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Post by Southbound on May 8, 2009 10:37:08 GMT -6
Well my thoughts on the whole thing are private mods aren't really a bad thing to the community nor should they be looked at in that way. If someone takes another's model which is unlocked and mod it to his liking why should he have to let others have it? Why should others have to beg so hard for it that it turns the whole situation ugly? This doesn't happen at truck stops does it? No... it doesn't happen like that... that's why I always loved hitting the interstates(highways)... it's called "variety" and that's what this community use to be about.
Not just about who makes the most detailed model(s) and you can't attitudes... Not just about "custom rigs". But hey... that's all everyone seems to be after now-a-days at any expense. Some don't care if they ruin a friendship at all... some don't care if they get banned from the community, as long as they get that mod!!!
But what is sad and somewhat disturbing is that a lot of guys in the trucksims community some old skool... some not... do not have a clue... want a clue... as to what types of effort a lot of modders put into modding. When I first got started I quickly found out that it gets pretty annoying after constantly begging someone for a mod or when will it be released or any updates. All this in some cases have lead to closed topics, fighting and even guys changing their minds all together about releasing a mod.
So really... you can't get pissed at the guys pimpin' a really awesome rig and it's private. In real life...your not going to get pissed at the driver with the killer set-up fueling up next to your crappy white road boss and barely legal trailer are you? You have no reason... It the way of the road... variety. It is... what it is!
If their were only one truck manufacture producing one brand... one model on the roads today I think our highways would be pretty boring myself.
I have no problem with guys keeping mods private but their is no need for any of us to act so stuck-up about it... there's no need to call each other out because of one's modding skill level... HELL! help someone out... try helping out total strangers sometimes... try helping them learn something new about modding. I know it's not easy to help someone at time, but that's what got most of us where we are today... HELP. I know I haven't released anything... the stuff I worked on in the past... my little converts with parts by others... I stopped working on them because I felt like they weren't good enough. I felt like since they aren't "DETAILED" enough everyone will trash-it like they usually do now-a-days... and it's funny! Most of the guys doing the trashing can't even pack a damn file. That's what makes my ass itch!
But... before I leave my 2 cent on the counter I want to thank everyone... there are to many guys to list... everyone who has ever released anything publicly... everyone who has ever help me period. I have taken that same time and effort you shared with me to help so many others in this community. You guys know who you are... I'm not calling no one out but we need to help do a better job of our community. We need to give credit where credit is due. We need to do a better job of respecting others as I always looked upon being a trucker as a brotherhood.
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Post by jackwilby on May 9, 2009 7:41:18 GMT -6
Well it about time i say what i need to say. Look i started in the community back When Mick's and Shadeetree were all around i know when i was starting out i got alot of shit thrown at me. Thanks to some people like Brandon (p359 or something ) and Andrew ( A2Z) lot more out there i got into the modding side of things. Anyway on topic i only ever keep things private becuase i was told about some parts or parts were sent to me so i have to keep private i dont release anymore as the way i look at it is prevention is better then cure. The community is going down hill and fast i understand it is good people release mods to keep the community alive but what good out of 100% that download your work over 80% atleast would bitch about something on it is it really worth the trouble i mean there are some people on here who sit on her 24/7.Grow the fuck up get a life you maggots.At the end of the day it does not matter what any of us say rather then sitting around bitching about whats going on do something about it. What more is there to say im over wasting my breath ( time typing ).
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Post by Chris on May 9, 2009 8:40:22 GMT -6
Well, I'm not sure if I agree 100% with this statement.
Why should the base model makers release anything they make? ivan didn't have to release his peterbilt, you already had one made by scs. He wanted one, that's why he made it. But he did release it, so people can mod it and he likes to give to the community, rather than recieve like most people think they should do these days. There is more people recieving than giving, and it's creating hardship in the community between members. That's all there is to it. Except for what jack mentioned, if there's a part someone doesn't want to be released then it shouldn't. There's not even a fine line between handing out shit to your friends though and releasing, giving shit out is the exact same thing except it's creating bullshit. Anyone who makes something, claims they keep it private so it's "special", then hands it out to only a handful of people. Which I don't think is wrong, but you can't be one of these people and not claim you're contributing to the bullshit. Fuck I did that, with plenty of my shit. I dunno if I wanna do it anymore though, because I feel like an asshole when I do. Not because of the way other people feel, but because I'm a kind person and it bothers me. I dunno. i just don't see the point of handing shit out or releasing anything anymore if everyone else is gonna be a snob and make excuses. I dunno I'm just sick of even thinking about this, it's pointless. There will always be greedy and rude people out there. Fuck it, I should just stop releasing shit and handing it out to people. Maybe Ivan too, so you guys can recycle your garbage back and forth to eachother till the next ice age.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2009 9:00:12 GMT -6
Well said. Another note, I think if somebody modded a truck, with THEIR parts, and don't want the "noobs" to get ahold of it, fucking dont give it out at all, to your friends, anything. Thats how we got to where we are today. Even if you think they're trustworthy, just dont fucking do it. My red truck, reefer, mostly ALL my shit I do, I do it for myself. Never handed anything out because I learned from other peoples mistakes. You hand it out to every Joe in your click, but then when some how a newb gets it, you get all pissy. If your scared it might get spreaded throughout the community, keep it to your damn self.
On the helping hand, I agree with Southbound. If everybody(meaning the advanced modelers) gets all snobby, like "Fuck that hes a newb, he wont get it", then next thing you know we wont be getting ANY mods with detail. Heck look at truckpol, everything getting released over there is bullshit. Not even worth looking at. Wonder why? No help. No help from the higher people. Im not saying everybody thats advanced havent helped, because most have. Heck the only people that helped me hands on were Cody, Jon(Cascadia) and Row. Of course I used my resources(Ivans tutorials) but if everybody that can mod dont give back to the community, its going to go to hell and the quality will be gone.
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Post by Chris on May 9, 2009 9:17:22 GMT -6
That's somewhat true, but mostly not. To say you can't do something because someone doesn't hand it to you is bullshit. I learned a ton of shit on my own. And funny thing is, I learned alot of shit people tried to teach me as a newb and didn't understand, way after they tried to tell me. Take cody for an example (sorry codboy), the fucking guy took a year and a half to learn how to edit glass when he was told and tried to be taught a hundred times. But I think he has it now, and that's probably because he got sick of not being able to do it and taught himself. That's the whole idea of modding stuff and making it in 3d, it's technique and alot of it can't be taught very easily, if at all. Sure, you wanna know all the tools? I'll tell and it'll only take 20 minutes. Apply it all together so you can personally mod things yourself then come back to me in a year and we'll still see if you're forgetting something. These days I find myself telling people about tools and techniques that used to call me a noob, and they still have no clue how to do it because they haven't figured it out for themselves. That's like saying you can't mod because oleg didn't include bumpers, grills, filters, and truck cabs and sleepers in his zmodeler standard objects list.
LOL, everything that gets released over there is bullshit because nobody listens to what they're told. It's a fact that people get defensive if you criticize their work or tell them how to make something better than what they have. I can't really see you being like that cedric, but alot of people either get pissed off, they don't listen and just go ahead with their crap work, or someone else who isn't them has something to say about it and it just causes an uproar. I tell you what though, in my experience with people in this community, people sure would rather you do something for them than teach them. I think I have more parts scattered about than parts that are on my trucks in my folder. ;D
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Post by Southbound on May 9, 2009 10:14:52 GMT -6
That is the truth... some guys just haven't got the time nor patience to start at the beginning. They want to jump right in asking how to import a .pmg and not even know how to re-pack a file. I agree with Chris... a lot of the guys over at Truckpol you try to help or give constructive criticism to the first thing they do is "run and tell mommy"... they get pretty defensive... and... continue on with their little project anyway. And now-a-days... most guys rather not even waste their valuable time trying to learn... they will try their best to make you think it's to hard for them so you will mod something for them... Not me! I never asked anyone to mod anything for me. I'm guilty of asking for help yes. But one thing I have noticed thought... ever person that does try their luck at modding on any forum is usually subject to public ridicule. Constructive criticism I can understand... everything else shouldn't be allowed if someone's trying to learn. Like in a class room. Teacher's don't have time for unruly kids, but for those who wish to learn they do. Now... I don't know whether my quoted statement was taken in the wrong way: Meaning if I mod... for example Steve's rigs that he released unlocked and I mod to my liking with parts by others I should put it up for release I won't have anything personal for myself ;D
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Post by Chris on May 9, 2009 11:00:45 GMT -6
Well see, it's hard to draw a conclusion to this whole ordeal because it affects so many people and everyone has a different opinion. To be honest I doubt there will ever be a conclusion that every single person agrees on. Here is some facts:
There is less mods being released these days than any other time, which is improving again mind you but still for the amount of modders around there should be more work being done.
There will always be someone in the community who won't release their mods, no matter the conclusion we get from all this.
there will always be fighting and arguing because of these facts, and high tension between members. Modders & regular community members alike.
And I hate to say it but this will never be solved. And these are strange times, atleast for me. Because we got so much shit going on, like people splitting apart because of new games coming out, forums going under and getting rude, people hating eachother over mods, etc. I don't see an end to it any time soon. So, my new question is, what do we do now? anyone have an answer for that?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2009 11:26:10 GMT -6
The ONLY way I can see this community grow, as far as modding...and I hate to say this...but really helping the people over at truckpol that WANT to learn. Yea theres some that don't want to learn, but I know from my experience, there are some really talented, and respectful people. And by help I mean, making tutorials, hands on help, everything. I wouldn't mind doing it, I just stray away from truckpol because the forum itself is a clusterfuck. But if we help the people who WANT to learn, believe me, we'll start seeing talent that we never knew existed.
Take me for instance, I wish I could make scratch shit, because I REALLY want a accurate 387, but just don't know where to start.
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Post by Southbound on May 9, 2009 11:48:55 GMT -6
I'm with you on all that said Ced... everyone is not a total jerk! Some guys really try and learn how to mod... I try and help guys in zmod via msn or whatever. Some get it and some don't... they give up... it's not my fault. I too would like to learn how to make scratch made parts. Once I can do that... I will have no problem releasing anything! I want to... I want to do more than just help! I want the ability to release more than just a converted rig with parts by others, but with some of my own! I know everyone can't pick this all up at the same time. Some... it takes a little longer for them to catch on but still... that's no reason to bash them because your sittin' pretty!
But everything your saying Chris and those who have been around for a few years like myself is very true.
I'd really like to know myself!
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Post by Chris on May 9, 2009 12:14:18 GMT -6
Well I didn't mind teaching people, but most of the people I have taught either don't care to talk to me anymore (they got what they needed and bailed), they keep everything private, or they don't partake in the community anymore and are "KIA" so to speak.
I liked it when the goal was making the game realistic, and not only about models.
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Post by Southbound on May 9, 2009 12:27:00 GMT -6
So did I... their was better interaction amongst members. Less drama... place were fun to visit and hang-out... less drama.
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Post by harleyoutlaw on May 9, 2009 16:38:20 GMT -6
Seems everything I say on any forum gets taken personal. Why that is I don't know. Maybe it's because I don't fuck around with dumb shit. As I stated this whole thing started with me basically. And yeah it should have been talked about before, but it wasn't. If the shit that went down on another forum, wouldn't of gone down the way it did, we wouldn't even be talking about this to be honest with you. I miss the days back in Big Micks, Southern Customs. Everyone was nice, and you could say what you wanted, no one got pissy. Just seems like now days, everyone is trying to prove who has the biggest dick. Things need to change. And it's going to take more then one person. But until the higher up modder's if you want to call them that, agree on something, shit won't change.
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Post by signsmasher on May 10, 2009 3:26:58 GMT -6
I don't think it's too hard to see who wants to put the effort in and who doesn't... I agree on the tutorials and teaching thing, it would be great if people put what they know into tutorials in an accessible place, because so many more people would learn things from that than you explaining everything to a person. I taught myself almost everything that I know... hell, within 2 weeks of me being in this community, with no experience with modding whatsoever, I'd released a mod which I'd say is still the most used of my mods to this day. And I'm not a particularly quick learner eiither. All I had for the most part was Ivan's tutorial... it was the first I got and still I think one of the very few I have. To be honest, apart from that I can't think of anything to do next right now.
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Post by Southbound on May 10, 2009 10:29:34 GMT -6
I think my first tutorials came from Mick's place... a lot of those rules helped get me started when I had the time to start learning. I will admit dude... "I'm slower than a turtle on his knees" when it comes to learning stuff... but when Ivan's tut became available it really helped me understand the whole folder path/modding thing more. Though I still struggle at time lol!
But for the most part... I really... really want to be able to created parts to help release quality mods myself... as well as help others learn. Most of you know I will try and help anyone or at least point you in the right direction.
I also feel that if the most tutorials available know are pretty good but some aren't to detailed for basic modders. Sometimes the little things are left out... not on purpose I know.
Just and Idea here...
If video tutorial were made via windows media player or what have you. It would give the user the ability to replay in slow-motion which can be a big success I think.
I don't know if it's me or not but most youtube video tuts are to fast and blurry for me to understand... always have been.
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Post by signsmasher on May 10, 2009 10:59:58 GMT -6
I don't know if it's me or not but most youtube video tuts are to fast and blurry for me to understand... always have been. Agreed... and if you really have no clue and need to follow it step-by-step, even though you can on YouTube, it's easier and more clear to pause it after each step or go back to re-watch it.
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Post by Southbound on May 10, 2009 11:41:40 GMT -6
I don't know if it's me or not but most youtube video tuts are to fast and blurry for me to understand... always have been. Agreed... and if you really have no clue and need to follow it step-by-step, even though you can on YouTube, it's easier and more clear to pause it after each step or go back to re-watch it. My point exactly
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Post by Chris on May 10, 2009 13:06:46 GMT -6
Mine are too fast because I use hotkeys. LOL.
Honestly though, there is alot more tuts around now than there was when I started. It was almost like a secret to know how to mod when I started.
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Post by harleyoutlaw on May 10, 2009 13:42:00 GMT -6
Southbound, go on over to Micks, or Unforgiven whatever you want to call it. Look for the pipe making tutorial. That's what basically got me started making my own parts. Along with some questions to Steve, and Adam. But for the most part it was that tutorial.
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Post by Southbound on May 10, 2009 14:46:18 GMT -6
Thanks for the heads up dude
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