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Post by Chris on May 6, 2009 10:06:03 GMT -6
It seems like tension has been rising all around this community over mods and private works. I'm just wondering what everyone opinions are. And by that I mean, I have a few rules to go by before posting about this. 1. back yourself up with a solid answer 2. no bashing eachother personally because of a personal opinion. Now, my question is - I see people always getting aggravated these days over private mods and such. I'm wondering what everyone's personal opinion is. Try not to be too biased, I wanna know some complete thoughts on the subject. Maybe the pros and cons of releasing or keeping your work private. Well, here's my opinion. This is a really hard and tense subject. But on one hand I firmly believe everyone has the right to keep their mods private, no matter what it's their decision and it is their right to obtain something they made theirselves without giving it away to the general public. For a few reasons, whether it be hackers, ungrateful people obtaining your hard work, people butchering it, etc. Those are really legit reasons. On the other hand, I strongly believe in my mind that it's also wrong on alot of levels to take someone else's work that was released to the public, mod it yourself, then keep it away from everybody else just for yourself. Think about it, that's like a friend inviting you to his/her house for supper, then you just waltz in, grab the food and go eat it at home. That's one reason I sort of don't want to release anything anymore, because everytime someone mods something of mine it's kept private, which is completely wrongfully used. I gave away a model I made myself to the community to SHARE. Do you see what I mean? on that level it's fucked and a real piss off to release something and have someone horde it for something different than what it was meant for. It's......absurd really. Like, half of these people who keep their mods private were taught by someone like me, and I have taught ALOT of people how to mod and taught them new things. When I see someone I know who I continuously taught new things and showed new things and ways to mod, shared my knowledge, only for them to keep my skills and models to theirselves....well, that's makes me really dislike that person. Even many times I have helped someone only to find that they don't give me any thanks or some form of credit. I always give shout outs or props to my friends who help me along my way. God knows how shitty of a modder I'd be without my zmod master aka rowan . IMO, the way the community is with less and less mods these days, someone is gonna have to start releasing something sometime soon, who isn't ivan. Because this community is too busy concentrating on topics like this when they should be viewing my haulin board checking out the latest mod, which we can all benefit from btw incase you didn't know. And there is alot of people in this community who should be ashamed of themselves taking and never giving anything back. I'm not talking about anyone specific, but good lord we need some more released shit, quality shit too. I haven't downloaded a mod from anyone except ivan and wendi in the last year because of this problem. It's pathetic really. I'm in no way saying you can't keep your mods private. Go ahead I probably won't download it anyways. I get enough from my friends and myself to keep me going without them. All I'm saying is it's pathetic how some people have been modding for close to a year or maybe more and never release anything, and maybe like 3 guys have only been releasing shit. So.....I guess my final answer is it's up to you to keep your stuff private, and it doesn't bother me really. It makes me disappointed a bit, but not sad or mad that's just stupid to care that much. It really is great to have friends who share stuff with eachother though, if it wasn't for steve my star would never get done. And for guys like steve who make crazy high poly stuff, it really is best that dudes like him keep their stuff private. Which is why my most recent shit has been kept private, it's been crazzzzyyy high poly. Not as much as some, but lots to me. Anyways, that was a long ass post and I apologize if said something that was stupid or if it didn't make sense, or if it was only a spur of the moment thought and I retract it later, I'm extremely bagged out today . Let me know what your opinion is, don't worry about hurting feelings or anything just state your FULL opinion. And remember the rules.
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Post by Rowboat on May 6, 2009 10:15:42 GMT -6
Well, I believe people should be let free in what they do with free mods, even hording it for themselves. The thing that bothers me the most is the crediting. Some people are just too damn lazy to actually find out who built the thing and who helped him in the meantime. It's like taking someones painting, adding a bit of orange, and calling it your own completely. I've never been bothered by private mods, neither about people who don't neccesseraly give back. I like it when people use my mods and make something personaly out of it, that's why I'm building this shit. It was a big let down when nobody really used my Autocar for anything Almost spent a year on that thing and nobody really used it. i want people to use my stuff and mod it and keep it personal or maybe even not, their choice. BUT TAKE THE FUCKING TIME TO FIND OUT WHO BUILT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. You don't have to credit me when posting pics in the pic thread or anything, but only when you show us your truck in a seperate thread telling who built it and what not or when you want to release it ofcourse... That's my main agrevation in this community, the dumb shits who can't think logical enough to just find out a few names...
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Post by Chris on May 6, 2009 10:33:12 GMT -6
I should make this a little more clear, after talking with rowan. What really bothers me the most about private mods is the people who act like they're God because they can mod, or they look down on other people because they have a decent truck or something that nobody else can have. That might not be a direct action people are doing, maybe they don't know that they are doing it.....but alot of people seem like they are doing that and it's killing the community. Not because I can't have it, but because they are simply not a great modder and they take cred for all this "amazing" work they did meanwhile they couldn't mod for shit if it wasn't for the people that give the most to the community.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 10:52:36 GMT -6
Alright heres my two cents:
When I first came on the scene, I couldnt mod worth shit. I used to see some bad ass trucks, but most were released. I always wanted to learn how to mod, but never knew were to begin. I always wanted to make something as good as the vets, Chris, Row, Cody, Steve, etc. Thats what made me push and push to learn how to mod. Because I saw it like this. I cant get it(face the facts), so why not do something myself. And thats when I asked help from a few people on how to mod. And believe it or not, most of my knowledge I know now is because of myself. To be honest, I don't like asking for help, or mods or anything, because I don't want to make it seem like they "Owe" me anything. I give back to the people that helped me, which I can count on 1 hand.
So now, here I am seeing less and less quality mods being released. I go both ways on this one because:
1. Most mods you see now are personal trucks; trucks people have modded to their own taste. They don't want to release it because..well...why? Its mine, modded to my taste. Yes, credit the people who did the parts, and main model, but if its your personal truck, I don't see why you should release it. Like my trucks and trailers, I don't release any of it because I want it to myself. Yea call me what you want, but I like to have nice things too. I don't want to see people prowling around in my personal truck that I act as if in real life I would drive it. Its not realistic for one.
2. Yea, alot of mods I see around here could be released. Because I see more than one person with it. I don't get mad or anything, but It does feel like "Damn, everybody has that but me", or something to that nature. I released a few things in my days, and I plan on releasing something huge in the next few days. Theres 1 person I really don't like, but I try not to bring it up. Mainly because of the selfishness.
All in all, if you want something, take the time to learn how to mod. We all had to do it. Nothing was handed to us on a silver platter. I try to help people as much as I can when it comes to modding. But you can't expect to be a leech and ask for everything you see. Gotta learn the hard way.
Oh and believe it or not, If you just ask me for something, I might give it to you, if its not to personal to me.
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Post by evh5150vanhalen on May 6, 2009 11:08:02 GMT -6
as chris stated the reason i keep my stuff private for the most part is because of the poly amount,i don't post them to shove them in peoples faces and say look what i got and you dont. i post them to get criticized as funny as that sounds it's true thats what help's push me a little farther to build something as close as i can get it to the real thing and when i do release something i don't hear complaints that it's not real enough or this or that's missing because ive built it for other trucks,when i do make and release trucks i don't rebuild anything off of private trucks i release the parts that's on the stuff i don't give out. and also as cedric stated its personalized the way i want it not how others like i get that sometimes in the threads i make, well you should delete this and add that, but on release trucks i like to try to give everybody what they would like on that 6 for instance the air dam is buy able and so is one of the rear pipes so somebody can have it set up different each way so every time they load the game change a few options and paints it feels like a new truck not just the same one painted different.but back to the topic without people releasing trucks there would be no community for people to hang out and talk.
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Post by harleyoutlaw on May 6, 2009 11:12:50 GMT -6
This is a real touchy subject for me. I will warn you right now. This whole deal started basically because of me to be honest with everyone.
Private vs Public
I see a lot of people mentioning giving back to the community. Okay here's how I feel on this aspect, and I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, but let's face it, there Is so much information on modding that everyone should be able to do it right.......Well the guys that taught me were Adam, Steve, Scott, Playboy, DD, and maybe 2 other guys. Me personally I haven't gotten jack shit from the community but headaches and bitching about me releasing mods, and they aren't perfect or don't work, when obviously I know they work or I wouldn't of released them. I used to release a ton of shit back in my pttm days. Infact, I just deleted everything off my filefront because of this very situation. Now I don't think my mods are the best, and I don't think I'm the best modder out there. Plain and simple. If you think I come across that way I'm sorry, but that's not who I am. I give back to the people who helped me......or try too, but a lot of times, they just say don't worry about it or they help me fix it and move on. Enough of that.
As far as private mods go, I feel that they are a very important part of the community. Anyone who says different, needs to think about this in my opinion. Reason I say they are good is because for the guys who want to learn, it gives them some ideas, and maybe gives them something to work towards. So yeah private mods are good. What is wrong is when people try to tell other people what they can, can't do with their models. That's where it gets out of control. Now I have been modding since I dunno 02 03 maybe...And I have seen a lot of things happen as to why more and more people keep their stuff private. I mean come one one person is still around on the forums to this day and he's been hacking models since day one. That's not right too me either. Hacking, Stealing, Selling peoples stuff that isn't yours, isn't right. So yeah that's a lot of reason imo why people keep their stuff private.
Public mods are pretty sweet. I like getting some public mods, who doesn't. I will agree there needs to be more out there, because I personally can't figure out haulin. I think public mods are a good thing, but when someone releases something public and people piss and moan because it's not what they "want" that's not right either. You take what you can get, and go from there. And I say thanks personally to those of you who release mods. Even if we don't talk or get along.
Now since I really don't feel the community has given me much as far as the learning end goes, I have helped several people myself learn how to mod as well. Only to have that person either a.) backstab me and try to wreck my name in the community or b.) not even stick up for me when things go bad.
After this keeps happening for so long, I just run out of energy to even give anything back. The community is fucked up right now, with everything going on, and honestly, I feel it's about to fall apart.
As I said I'm not trying to step on toes, or argue, This is just how I see it. If you don't agree that's fine, I respect that opinion. If you have a problem with what I have said, feel free to pm me, and we can talk about it like adults. But the minute you get mad at me or something, I will cut it off. I look forward to reading more of everyone's opinions as well. Thanks for making this thread chris.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 11:20:31 GMT -6
This is probably the most popular topic on these trucking-game forums. And there's nothing wrong with that, its just that sometimes it gets out of hand. Like for instance, when steve made a simple joke about releasing his utility and T600. Some people got very mad, like completely bent outa shape so bad they would'of killed if they could've. And over what?!?!? A GAME. See i think if your going t o get that personal about internet and computers, you need to give it up. There's zero point in bashing people you don't know, (forgive me if i've done it and forgot). Whether or not to release a mod i leave up to the person that makes it, i really don't like to beg, it makes me feel immature and quite undisciplined. What gets me is what chris was talking about, making a truck, keeping it, and bragging like a Fag. That pisses me off. I like seeing great trucks, released or not, but please don't rub it in my face. There are different kinds of people here though, with different intentions. Take Ivan and...oh i don't know Corey maybe for instance. Ivan is here to make us trucks and trailers, and takes pride in doing it (i hope). He has fun doing it for us. Corey on the other hand is here perhaps to make trucks for himself and show us what he can do, that's great, as long as he doesn't feel like he's 10ft. tall and all... Final Thoughts: I couldn't really care what people do, whether they release or keep there stuff private, it's just when they brag about it that i don't like. P.S (Ivan and Corey please don't be offended on how i referred to you, i was only using you as a private modder Corey because i can only think of one thing you've released )
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 11:26:29 GMT -6
Oh and that just made me think about something kenworthjunkie
When I post pictures of my truck, Im not sure if anybody wants it or not, but in no way shape or form am I trying to rub it in somebody's face. All of the pics I post are pics of my trips Ive made truckin in haulin, not just a photoshoot.
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Post by Adolf luder on May 6, 2009 11:37:00 GMT -6
NO mod is private, earn respect, get a name, maybe do mods or have some knowledge and you will have the pleasure to get mods.
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Post by signsmasher on May 6, 2009 12:18:25 GMT -6
I personally quite like seeing people's personal trucks customized to their taste and kept to themselves, gives a more realistic and good feel about it. If you take a truck, and slap some parts on to how you want it, then I think it's probably best to keep it to yourself. Although people may drool, that's the way it should be in some cases... if you see ten people riding around in Cody's JAD, it looks stupid. You wouldn't have a few people in real life with cuztomized trucks that are identical to each other, would you? No.
However, I think for instance if you have made a stock truck, especially if nobody has made one before, then it's good to release it. I mean, I haven't spent months on something before myself, but if you have spent a long time like that modeling a truck from the wheels up, I'd imagine that I would WANT to share my work with everyone. A better sense of achievement when you see everyone riding around in it and loving it... makes you feel like it was all well worth it. Like Ivan for example, as far as I can remember he's made hiss trucks and trailers stock and pretty much from scratch, and he is more than happy to share it with the world so everyone can see how awesome he is. ;D
On another hand, there is always the factor of hackers and thieves. If someone locks their model, because they feel that they have spent a monumental amount of time working on it and getting it perfect, and don't want to see people fucking with it, then I completely understand. But, there is also the opinion that if you leave it open, it can't be hacked because it's already open, and other people can edit it to how they like for their own personalised version. But because of this, I really do see both sides of the argument on why someone would want to keep their models private or make them public, or lock or leave them open. So really, it's your model, so it's your decision.
Of course, on the credits front, then I believe everyone no matter who they are deserve credit for their involvement in making the mod what it is in its finished state. If someone has had help or guidance from someone, whether they were directly involved or not, they deserve a simple "Thanks to _______" or something. And the way I see it, if you release a mod openly, then you give people the right to do what they want with it within reason unless told otherwise...
Someone bugging you? Tell them to shove it and be grateful for what they do get. If something isn't to what they want it, they need to get off their asses and do it themselves. Generally, trucks are made to suit a general purpose and satisfy the majority of people.
One thing I'd like too add... I've said it before and I'll say it again:
R E S P E C T
That's what it all comes down to really.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 12:41:16 GMT -6
People just have to respect the guys who made them parts and total mods, and STFU when you don't like it. Also people really have to learn to take the time to read a READ ME if you are not fimiliar with installing stuff into Haulin. Also when you are busy on a map or something people have to stop whining about when the next version will be released and such. Modding is just a hobby and will be done in spare time, if people understand that better will there a lot more be released.
But I like to see more and more private stuff gets released, maybe is the also cause of Haulin is getting older and older but still it is something
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Post by Chris on May 6, 2009 13:25:08 GMT -6
Puke is definitely right, for once in his gay life.
really, it would be fucked if everyone released everything. Something I also wanted to point out in my original post. Thanks luke.
What do you guys think of this unwritten rule where you don't have to post credits if the mod is private? I think it's stupid really. It makes it feel like that person is not necessarily trying...... but certainly holding off on giving you credit for your model for one reason or another. An unknown reason, a reason I wouldn't know because I always post credits.
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Post by signsmasher on May 6, 2009 13:35:10 GMT -6
What do you guys think of this unwritten rule where you don't have to post credits if the mod is private? I think it's stupid really. It makes it feel like that person is not necessarily trying...... but certainly holding off on giving you credit for your model for one reason or another. An unknown reason, a reason I wouldn't know because I always post credits. I'm against that, I think if you've made a topic discussing your private truck WIP then you should at least give credit for what you've used since your last update. Some people like TruckerDude for instance, post all the credits in every update in the topic. That's certainly showing respect and that you appreciate it all, but I don't think it's necessary to go that far, keeping a running total of credits. For instance, "Added some new tanks, thanks to your dog for those...". That's perfectly acceptable to me. And it seems that's what most people do here, so great. But at the end of it all, you're still showcasing what you've done with the help of other people's parts or whatever, so I think you should give credits even for private models, yes. Then we can tell people that if your dog can do it, you can. Get off your ass or we'll soak you up with ShamWow. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 13:54:21 GMT -6
it never bothers me. i don't care about how realistic it is if everyone has the same truck. it's good to have variety. everyone else's taste is not yours so you shouldn't have that truck. it's kinda like kevin said, you should be able to mod to get a mod, but that's because your showing that you're lazy, and you're using those around you. i've been tinkering around in sketchup because i'd like to have something to call my own. i don't even care if it gets put in a game or not. i'm wanting to make a truck that is going to resemble my real life owner operator truck. that's why i've been drawing since i was 2. i love being around trucks and plan on driving for the rest of my life. 3d modeling is an art, you basically put a piece of you into it.
and sorry chris but i have to disagree with you on one thing. people can get along and communicate without mods. i haven't played haulin in a long time. you are all basically my friends. we can have a good time without mods. it's cool to complement one another on your work, that's just part of being friends.
if you can model, good for you, if not than it's not the end of the world. most noobs are selfish anyway. it takes maturity to be on this forum in some way or another, we have our pervs and our comedians, but we're all mature on here. that's why i only come here. i feel at home here.
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Post by Jon on May 6, 2009 13:56:21 GMT -6
The way I see private mods is mostly the same way Luke sees it. A lot of people keep their trucks private because they want something different from everyone else. That is one of the few reasons why private mods are ok. My other reasons are that I feel before releasing something and giving credit, I should get approval from the original maker of the part on the truck or even the truck itself, which I never want to do to be honest. That's why every TRUCK mod I've done is private except a butchered SCS truck. I also, as stated by others, don't want to see people take full credit for what I've done to a mod myself. If I were to release a truck, I would always leave it open unless I'm using a part that the creator doesn't want to see on any other truck. That's because I personally don't care what people do to my work as long as they're original with it. It's much better than seeing the same identical truck being driven by a whole bunch of people.
In conclusion, there is nothing wrong with having a private mod, just don't be a fucking douchebag about it.
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Post by Dan on May 6, 2009 17:51:04 GMT -6
What I personally hate is when somebody who CAN mod treats you like a peice of shit because you cant. Admittedly, I should have learned to z-mod a long time ago, seems like everybody else in my "generation"(trucksim wise, we all joined around the same time) has. I mean its ok to do a little bit of the im better that you because i can mod well, but saying someone shouldn't participate in the community, merely because they cant z-mod seems stuck up. RE: Private models. Seems to me that you made it, you choose what to do with it. If somebody wrote a book, they don't have to publish it, they can just keep it to themselves. I like to release the crappy skins and stuff I make (or used to make, havent made anything worth a fuck in awhile) because it allows somebody else to have fun. Some of you out there probably wouldn't relase shit because it allows people to have more fun, but that's YOUR choice. What irks me (no offense to folks) is when modelers lock their models. Take slaMauser's cascadia. It's great! it was the first truck for haulin that had a totally new interior (that I can remember) but because sla locked it, folks like ivan can't tweak the model and make it even better, or make it into a daycab without re-making the entire thing. I'm sure I'll get flak for that, but it's my opinion.
Bottom line: Don't act like your king of the fucking world just because you can make a 3D model.
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Post by Andy on May 6, 2009 19:31:02 GMT -6
What do you guys think of this unwritten rule where you don't have to post credits if the mod is private? I think it's stupid really. It makes it feel like that person is not necessarily trying...... but certainly holding off on giving you credit for your model for one reason or another. An unknown reason, a reason I wouldn't know because I always post credits. I've said this before, but to me not posting credits for a mod is pretty much taking all that persons hard work and spitting on it and them with it, it's a huge sign of disrespect in my eyes. But, that also brings me to this. Don't act like your king of the fucking world just because you can make a 3D model. This sums up so much shit it's insane, not pointing any fingers but I've seen this way too many times in this community and most of the time someone always ends up having a hissy fit about it and does something fucking stupid and they end up making their self and everyone else look bad.
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Post by Corey on May 6, 2009 19:45:56 GMT -6
personally, i like to be unique. i hate to see ppl driving the same truck as me, n when i give my things to friends, i tell them to atleast mod it to be "their own" and not identical to mine. just to be "unique" that is really the reason i dont release my parts....just so the guys at RRL can be unique and different from the rest
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Post by Dcving on May 6, 2009 19:51:34 GMT -6
well if i released my stuff there would be more lego builders...thats for sure...plus half the people around here...if they want my pipes for instance ill tell them how to do it...id rather teach people shit then give it to them
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Post by hardtruckisthebest on May 6, 2009 19:55:45 GMT -6
If you got a truck where you added some small time custom things to it and did it up for yourself, thats totally cool.
But if you have some thing which you're not even using, it just sits on your hard drive, and you know that there's people out there who would be really happy if they had it, then I think you should let them have it. Because like everyone knows, our community is based on people making mods for haulin. Thats the driving force.. So the more vehicles are out there in circulation, the better. Because then it makes its way onto youtube and hanks and all over the place, and it gets exposure and grows our community. How many people you know play truck games? I have one friend from middle school who still messes with it.. thats it. We gotta do what we can to work together and share our talent.
We also need to get organized again, just like we were when Trucksims was goin.. I'll build a main website and we'll put all the downloads on it and everything, and that way we'll actually mean something.. we wont just be a bunch of rogue morons on a message board
you know if you just think about it.. we have a legit product.. its like a perfect blend of simulator and game, and we have very realistic models made up for it.. check some of luders trailers or steves work or codys. People pay big money for things with a lot less detail in Flight Simulator for example. So we got a good community goin on.. but its always gonna be tight, just because of what kind of games were dealing with. So we gotta not fuck around, but try to work like a team to get this shit as much exposure as we can. And god knows we cant end up like Truckpol, so there's some motivation for you
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2009 5:05:53 GMT -6
I, personally, have nothing against mods that are kept private, but only if they are kept private and not given out to what seems like 'popular' people in the community, or other fellow modelers. It can be extremely belittling for others to see people using a specific modification (that they believed was private) that they cannot obtain. It makes one feel inadequate, and thus, hostile behaviors emerge. Public mods are of course great. I can indeed see why less and less of them are coming out as of late however, and I do feel more gratitude should be given to the modelers of this community. Saying that though, I don't think modelers who think they're above the rest deserve anything. If you want to help the community, then help it. But, if you want to release mods to gain yourself a higher prestige within the community, then you need not bother. I've also noticed the subject of "credits" has popped up a on a few occasions in this topic, too. I do agree, credit should always be given where it's due, but I think people sometimes tend to go a bit over the top when they're unintentionally left out. If I contributed to a model that was created and was not credited, I'd simply correct the creator, and ask that he add me to the credits. Some people though, will hail profanity and a number of insults at the creator if they are not credited, and this isn't necessary. Mistakes happen. What do you guys think of this unwritten rule where you don't have to post credits if the mod is private? I think it's stupid really. It makes it feel like that person is not necessarily trying...... but certainly holding off on giving you credit for your model for one reason or another. An unknown reason, a reason I wouldn't know because I always post credits. Because they want people to believe that it's their own work. I think all work, private or public, should have a list of credits naming everyone who helped its construction. I completely disagree with people not giving credit for private work. But if you have some thing which you're not even using, it just sits on your hard drive, and you know that there's people out there who would be really happy if they had it, then I think you should let them have it. I agree with this. I remember Ariel, who was a marvelous modeler, but he annoyed me how he would make these great models, not use them himself, and not bother to release them. I think if I could make models like that, I'd love to share them. I personally quite like seeing people's personal trucks customized to their taste and kept to themselves, gives a more realistic and good feel about it. If you take a truck, and slap some parts on to how you want it, then I think it's probably best to keep it to yourself. Although people may drool, that's the way it should be in some cases... if you see ten people riding around in Cody's JAD, it looks stupid. You wouldn't have a few people in real life with cuztomized trucks that are identical to each other, would you? No. However, I think for instance if you have made a stock truck, especially if nobody has made one before, then it's good to release it. I mean, I haven't spent months on something before myself, but if you have spent a long time like that modeling a truck from the wheels up, I'd imagine that I would WANT to share my work with everyone. A better sense of achievement when you see everyone riding around in it and loving it... makes you feel like it was all well worth it. Like Ivan for example, as far as I can remember he's made hiss trucks and trailers stock and pretty much from scratch, and he is more than happy to share it with the world so everyone can see how awesome he is. ;D On another hand, there is always the factor of hackers and thieves. If someone locks their model, because they feel that they have spent a monumental amount of time working on it and getting it perfect, and don't want to see people fucking with it, then I completely understand. But, there is also the opinion that if you leave it open, it can't be hacked because it's already open, and other people can edit it to how they like for their own personalised version. But because of this, I really do see both sides of the argument on why someone would want to keep their models private or make them public, or lock or leave them open. So really, it's your model, so it's your decision. Of course, on the credits front, then I believe everyone no matter who they are deserve credit for their involvement in making the mod what it is in its finished state. If someone has had help or guidance from someone, whether they were directly involved or not, they deserve a simple "Thanks to _______" or something. And the way I see it, if you release a mod openly, then you give people the right to do what they want with it within reason unless told otherwise... Someone bugging you? Tell them to shove it and be grateful for what they do get. If something isn't to what they want it, they need to get off their asses and do it themselves. Generally, trucks are made to suit a general purpose and satisfy the majority of people. One thing I'd like too add... I've said it before and I'll say it again: R E S P E C T That's what it all comes down to really. Great post.
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Post by Chris on May 7, 2009 6:10:11 GMT -6
Well, I think there's some people here that posted who are not being totally honest, even if it's a brutal truth. Now that I had a night to think it over, the worst part in this whole private mods issue is when someone makes a totally brand new model, and keeps it to themself so they can do absolutely nothing with it. ESPECIALLY if the mod itself is nothing special at all. If it can benefit the community and promote variety, it is in everyone's best interest to release it IMO. But hey....then come the other factors like too high of a polycount, maybe if it's unfinished and whatnot. I dunno. To be honest, my latest mods have only been kept private because everyone else has been keeping theirs private. I feel like why should I release shit when everyone is just gonna slap on some custom parts and keep it private. Honestly, there's like 3 people in this whole community who I don't mind if they keep my mods private. Most of the rest just make me mad by modding my shit and playing the "i don't have to give credit because it's private" bullshit speech.
And cody, you would be fucked if everyone had that mentality. And that's a really bullshit answer considering you're still being taught shit and given base models by other people all the time. Without other people you would be stuck modding scs bullshit. I don't mean to sound harsh, but you're a hypocrite and that answer is null. Yeah, that's probably not your real answer. I assume because you don't want to be criticized so I don't blame you really, but the point of this thread is to be honest.
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Post by Rowboat on May 7, 2009 8:19:06 GMT -6
Actually, think about it, most of us are men. And we always play this "Who's got the biggest dick game", we try to be the "alpha male" and what not. It's most likely without you realizing it yourself, but it's still there. I mean, I keep fighting with my brother sometimes over complete bullshit subject purely because somewhere deep down inside there's still this urge to feel "genetically superior". (yes I know, kind of a GTA4 quote, but think about it) We're all that type of male since we don't wanna become a hairdresser and fuck other guys, right?
It's pretty hard to evade this problem unless a few of you buttfucks start smartening up. Cus I've come across a few sentences that really make me think: "Where the fuck is your brain?"
All I want is credits, it took me a while to get at this stage to be frank, but now people give me credits and I haven't given anyone a very hard time to this date yet.
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Post by signsmasher on May 7, 2009 9:18:40 GMT -6
Another thing I'd like to add if I'm brutally honest, and I don't intend this to give anyone digs, but I think high poly count is a pathetic excuse to keep something private. If someone can't run it well, then they simply don't use it, or put up with it. Not once in around 1 and a quarter years of me being around have I seen people bitching or complaining about something being too high poly to the modder, like I've seen some people claim in the past. Okay, I may have missed a few but it's certainly a minority. Often it's not just that reason, there are others why they don't want to release as well, which is completely fine by me... but keeping it private purely because of the poly count is not an excuse to me.
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Post by Chris on May 7, 2009 9:51:44 GMT -6
Another thing I'd like to add if I'm brutally honest, and I don't intend this to give anyone digs, but I think high poly count is a pathetic excuse to keep something private. If someone can't run it well, then they simply don't use it, or put up with it. Not once in around 1 and a quarter years of me being around have I seen people bitching or complaining about something being too high poly to the modder, like I've seen some people claim in the past. Okay, I may have missed a few but it's certainly a minority. Often it's not just that reason, there are others why they don't want to release as well, which is completely fine by me... but keeping it private purely because of the poly count is not an excuse to me. Sure it is. Look at Ivan. His graphics card is double of what I have, and he won't touch most of my models because they're too high poly. Why would I take my truck for example which is somewhere around 520k now, and go through the hassle just so maybe a few people will use it. Guaranteed only about 10% of the people would actually drive with it. For a few factors: 1. alot of people can't run it. This trucking community has alot of people with piss poor systems. I still get people asking me what type of graphics card I have, because supposedly my game looks good but my system is nearly 2 years old and my graphics card doesn't even have any support drivers coming out anymore. 2. some people won't use it simply because it's hard on the system for what it is. 3. Some people will only take screens because it's hard on their system. 4. there's lots of small parts on it and they don't want people discrediting them. 5. People don't want complaints because it's high poly 6. triple the amount of work went into making it. My reason is because I don't want people complaining. And most of the high poly trucks I made were my own version of someone else's truck or base, and everyone already has the basic model of it. So I dunno, that's why I didn't release that w900, which I was thinking of releasing anyways. Also it has alot of parts I don't want to be leeched all over the place and brutalized. So those are a few reasons, I don't expect that to shed any light on the subject for anyone who doesn't make trucks, but those are a few off the top of my head.
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