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Post by jab on Dec 10, 2015 15:15:59 GMT -6
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Post by LMB on Dec 10, 2015 16:22:28 GMT -6
How about no?
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Darrell
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Post by Darrell on Dec 10, 2015 16:44:35 GMT -6
how about hell NO
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Post by Colonel on Dec 10, 2015 17:17:15 GMT -6
Who gives a fuck, 96 pete FTW! Value of my truck doubled overnight!
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Post by jab on Dec 10, 2015 17:32:04 GMT -6
Who gives a fuck, 96 pete FTW! Value of my truck doubled overnight! Lmao fuck now they are going to pass some kind of legislation to outlaw trucks older then 2000.
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Post by Hillbilly on Dec 10, 2015 17:33:46 GMT -6
I wonder how they'll put elogs on a mechanical engine? I know they had a issue with that years ago, I wonder if they'll find a way to put them on.
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Post by ♤Aiden♤ on Dec 10, 2015 18:01:02 GMT -6
I wonder how they'll put elogs on a mechanical engine? I know they had a issue with that years ago, I wonder if they'll find a way to put them on. They will only be on trucks newer than 2000. It said it in the article.
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Post by Colonel on Dec 10, 2015 18:33:25 GMT -6
Yea for now, they will eventually likely try to push it on everyone.
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Post by Hillbilly on Dec 10, 2015 18:59:15 GMT -6
I wonder how they'll put elogs on a mechanical engine? I know they had a issue with that years ago, I wonder if they'll find a way to put them on. They will only be on trucks newer than 2000. It said it in the article. Shit didn't even read it. mines an 03 so shit. They been talking about elog mandate for fricken 10 years now
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Mr. D
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Post by Mr. D on Dec 13, 2015 18:10:13 GMT -6
We don't need logs, sucks to be you guys
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Post by Skyler D. on Dec 13, 2015 18:32:59 GMT -6
The way our fleet is set up, we get an additional 2 years after 2017 to have them in the trucks.
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Sam
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Post by Sam on Dec 13, 2015 19:21:47 GMT -6
I think it's time to get out of my 2000 now.
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Post by ty2trucker on Dec 14, 2015 7:57:09 GMT -6
2000s are safe if you have a 2001 but the built date is in 2000 your okay my dads boss has been going threw this cause he has a 2001 but its built in 2000 its basically 2001s and up that screwed
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Post by -=Bora=- on Dec 14, 2015 13:39:40 GMT -6
It's possible to mount them on any truck, I've done it to a 1950's White military truck over here, it's a classic truck but don't matter, for certain types of work they're a must over here GET USED TO IT..!!
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Post by ParanormalPieman on Dec 14, 2015 16:36:03 GMT -6
finally, a ruling. now i can stop running stupidly!
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Post by Colonel on Dec 14, 2015 17:39:01 GMT -6
Why? Who decides it's better? Supposedly it will make things safer, yet the companies that are having all the bad wrecks and most of the wrecks are already on elogs and have been for years. Where's the logic? If people are running legal on paper why should they have to run with elogs? Small businesses aren't required to have electronic time clocks in their place of business and submit them to the government periodically. Yes that information has to be available for the government and I don't know if they have to regularly submit them, but they're not required to have electronic time clocks, why should trucks? The trucking industry is one of the most regulated industries in the US and is also one of, if not the largest industry in the us. All the government does is pass laws that makes driving a truck harder and more complicated. Nothing they do saves lives, if they want to make a difference, make the driving test harder, that was easy as fuck to pass. Make sure the people who are driving can drive, forced driving school isn't the answer, I don't think, because it makes it harder for people to get into the industry which is already hurting for drivers. They want to make things safer, make it easier for the little guy to get his job done and harder for the big company, support the little man because he does it with pride and he takes care of his load and his truck. These big carrier get drivers a dime a dozen and one in 50 are worth a shit. There needs to be less big company and less big government and more of the little man, the states reserve the right to regulate interstate commerce and the only job of the government in this is to ensure the states don't become overbearing on the citizens. The exact opposite is happening, the states are having to stand up(if at all) to try to stop an overbearing government. Your drivers may get fucked up the ass royally over there, but we don't deserve it and we shouldn't be allowing it. This is supposed to be the land of the free and we're getting shafted by our government and our right to free enterprise being taken away. None of this BS is about safety, if it was, we'd see some real numbers from studies that have shown how good a job it's doing. No we don't, there aren't any because it doesn't work. Truck drivers are told when to eat sleep and shit, how much and for how long. When and where to buy fuel and how much they have to pay to each state just for driving through it. ITS WRONG and we DON'T have to get used to it, we HAVE to do something about it..
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Post by -=Bora=- on Dec 14, 2015 17:55:59 GMT -6
we HAVE to do something about it.. So do it..!! I can tell you exactly what to do, guaranteed it will work too, but just like over here I highly doubt it will happen! All you gotta do is park all your trucks at home and STAY THERE for a week. The entire country will grind to a stop but you will never agree on it completely! It's the same deal over here, everyone talks about it but no one do anything except talk. Btw, be happy you got such need for drivers, eventually it will make the rates go up
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Post by Big Joe on Dec 14, 2015 18:39:57 GMT -6
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Post by Colonel on Dec 14, 2015 18:41:42 GMT -6
Oh believe me I would happily try to organize such a thing, the problem is that there's about 50% of the owner operators who wouldn't be willing to take the down time to stop rolling for a week, then there's the 20% of trucks that are company drivers who wouldn't stop because they don't give a shit. It's probably the only way to make a difference but making it happen would be hard as hell. Did you read the article? "The data came from the previously generated compliance records of 11 participating carriers representing small, medium and large fleet – although the data set was “skewed” toward larger, for-hire carriers and “may not represent the overall U.S. trucking population,” the report notes." I said real studies and numbers, as in facts that accurately represent the trucking industry and aren't skewed.. They can make studies look however they want. Just like with a recent study where 95% of scientists confirmed that global warming was real. What they failed to tell you is that the 95% was actually 95% of the 11 scientists that they hand picked confirmed it. over 85% of all scientists say global warming is a joke. Also, how in the hell do drivers on elogs have hours of service violations? Isn't the software designed to prevent that? That makes a lot of sense.. I also don't need to read an 82 page report to not want this.
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Post by Hillbilly on Dec 15, 2015 11:21:55 GMT -6
They want elogs so they can see it, so they can see the violation, paper you can do it however you want. Anyone who doesn't drive a truck wouldn't understand, ohh elogs are easier uhm no, it tells you when your awake and it tells you when your tired. I think it should go back to the 90s. Every old guy drive 5 hours, sleep 5, and keep doing that there was never an issue.
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Post by Seb.H on Dec 15, 2015 11:29:51 GMT -6
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Post by -=Bora=- on Dec 15, 2015 12:38:51 GMT -6
If you're doing your job by the book the Elog will never be a problem, in fact it will save you the hazzle of doing your logbook! If you're doing your job by breaking the rules but has the balls to admit it, it won't be a problem either! If you're doing your job by breaking the rules and want to cover you're ass by cheating your logbook you got a problem The reason there's so many regulations in the trucking industry is mainly caused by the industry itself..!! But saying it's THE most regulated industry is BS, have a look at the airlines..!! Why so many rules to obey in the avation industry? = When something goes wrong it often involves a large number of casualties, even tho it's the safest way to travel! Why so many rules to obey in the trucking industry? = Whem accidents involving trucks happen it often involves casualties, travelling on the road involves the highest risk of getting hurt or worst case scenario killed! The main difference is most of the rules regarding airplanes is the exact the same wether it's commercial or private (do you really want to get to the point where you gotta go by the same rules when driving your car as when you're a big rig???). Wether you like it or not, the Elog is not the problem, it's just an electronic logbook, nothing more, nothing less (except you can't cheat like you can using a logbook). Your real problem is your HOS rules, not the Elog. As soon you realize you will be able to fight the real issue..!! You said it yourself Colonel , probably only half the O/O will actually take the downtime, you will never gain anything unless you stand united..!! Standing united makes the difference! In my country we got 5 weeks of payed vacation (12.5% of my my wages is put in an account and I get them when I'm having my vacation). If I get sick I get my full paycheck for 5 weeks (if illness is somehow caused by work it's 9 weeks). 2 weeks of work training class of my personal choice (getting my normal paycheck during that time too). 37 hour on daytime job, 35 on evening job, 32 for the nightshift, 24 hour weekend shifts. This is just 4 exmples of what have been acomplished by unions! (before anyone start ranting about what the unions do I'll remind you that the companies got similar "unions" lobbying their point of view and the goverment has nothing to do with it! it's all handshaken deals which both sides has to agree on and over here it works like a charm. The above was ment to show how much difference it makes when standing united instead of individuals fighting their own battles
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Post by Colonel on Dec 15, 2015 15:49:51 GMT -6
I'm not saying we shouldn't be united, but most unions here aren't really representing the people. It's just fat cats making it look like they got you the best deal when in reality it's just making them more money and screwing you. Not saying they couldn't do good, but not as bs as they are. I don't recall if I said it was THe most regulated, but it's ONE of the most regulated, especially for how big the industry is. The biggest problem we would face is trying to get everyone to stop rolling, because we all know that if trucks stopped for even 3 days, the country would shut down.
By the way, it has nothing to do with whether or not they will save you time, it's about me being FORCED to do it. That may be how you do things over there, but that's not how we do them here, or at least, how we want them to be done.
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Post by -=Bora=- on Dec 15, 2015 15:58:33 GMT -6
Union people are picked by election (at least over here they are) so as a member you should make sure to vote..!! And once again, you claim they screw you over, maybe the other half of your nation has a different opinion, does that make you more right than them or vice versa?? Democracy is basically a dictatorship ran by the majority Same with the Elog, half don't care, the other half wanna fight it. They're both right and should therefor be respected for their opinion! Which leads us back to the dictatorship ran by the majority which means if you've got a different opinion than the majority you can just wait and hope for the next election Which leads me to another question, I just read Donald Trump is becomming more popular, no wonder your country is fucked
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Post by Colonel on Dec 15, 2015 16:21:05 GMT -6
We didn't vote. We are fucked because that fucker that's in there now, trump could never even be half as bad if he tried too, but don't get me started on that. I understand how democracy works, it's not a very hard concept to understand, you know? By the way, FMCSA is not based on democracy, it's officials are appointed and make decisions by themselves. They propose the laws, and the stupid politicians pass them. I would love to do something about it, but I haven't been able to vote in an election yet.
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