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Post by Corby on Dec 6, 2013 18:23:18 GMT -6
Yeah who cares if blender has the worst GUI in the history of modeling programs, it's FREE. Yipee... And that's why iz free
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Post by Colonel on Dec 6, 2013 18:59:34 GMT -6
Blender is good for modeling. If you haven't tried to model or don't know how than stop hating. I'm pretty sure Chris is not exactly new to the making of models. I'm also pretty sure that he's fairly productive in 3dsMax. Considering what all he's made in it, I'd say he is definitely proficient... WHAT IS UP WITH ALL THESE NOOBS!?!?
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Post by xtakedownjnr on Dec 6, 2013 21:04:13 GMT -6
I know he isn't new I was saying that to everyone. IF I was just sayin it to him I would of quoted just you just did. Ive been into Haulin since it came out and everything. Just cause I'm new to a site doesn't mean anything!
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Post by shin204 on Dec 6, 2013 23:01:36 GMT -6
Blender is just closer to a production tool then Zmod. It has ALLOT more stuff...which i suppose can be confusion for some people.
Im just glad they are making blender tools and not just releasing the Smax tools they have.
The best news is that as these will be "pipeline tools" they will have EVERYTHING. I was professionally trained in Blender a few years back...Im glad they are bringing blender to ETS (I used to export all my models out of Blender, into Zmod. Zmod being crap would mess em all up.) As a professional tool Zmod is missing about 80% of the shit, and is so far away from "proper" workflow it isn't even funny.
Heck im even willing to post a guide on "basic" useage. I will admit last blender I used was 2.5.2 but...after playing with 2.69 not a whole lot seems to have changed.
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Post by Colonel on Dec 6, 2013 23:09:33 GMT -6
Just because it's not as easy to make these things, doesn't mean it's impossible either. The only things you can't do in Zmod 2 is render and animate. Which Zm3 does anim. Zmod is a great program once you learn to use it propertly. Which I have yet to do. I would like to learn blender, though. Just need to learn the modifiers and shortkeys.
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Post by shin204 on Dec 6, 2013 23:18:40 GMT -6
The tip to modifiers is dont use em. They only mess up the mesh, you also have to be more careful with Edge flow, tri count and tris in none-tried mesh (messes it up) This is a really old version of when I was still in school, it explains allot of how to use the interface (in my tri hunting). To create a face/vert select 3 verts. To create a face you have have 3 verts selected, to just create a new vert line you need to select two verts and press "F". to select multiples its "Shift click" to subdevice. "w", subdevide" to do edge loop it is "CTRL-R+mouse wheel" To extrude its "E". I will create a new vid explaining the basics in a better way. (tomorrow) Here is a good image. wiki.blender.org/uploads/1/14/Keyboardlayout_250.pngPRINT THIS OUT AND TAPE IT SOMEWHERE! *Edit* I am currently uploading a quick and short video describing how to make a basic object.
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Post by Lukaz on Dec 7, 2013 4:13:33 GMT -6
Why do you guys want to do stuff in this shit? For me it's just a crappy soft to export models, which is reaaally hard coz it blows errors everywhere!
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Post by shin204 on Dec 7, 2013 12:29:58 GMT -6
Never actually seen an error in Blender that I can think of.
Here is a quick vid I made lastnight in 2.69. If anybody has any questions post them in the video desc, and I will make video replies.
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Post by Colonel on Dec 7, 2013 12:47:28 GMT -6
Have you exported to ets 2? Because that's what it appears he's talking about.
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Post by shin204 on Dec 7, 2013 12:53:32 GMT -6
Admittedly...No, the tools that are available now are not that great. I am just getting back into blender after a 2 year break (SCS kinda spurred me into it).
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Post by harleyoutlaw on Dec 9, 2013 13:38:34 GMT -6
Id rather use 3ds max then any of this other garbage, but beggars can't be choosers.
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Post by hydraulics on Dec 9, 2013 15:03:55 GMT -6
People should not fear blender. 3D Modelling is an art form, just like music or painting. If I am a musician, the DAW I use does not define how well I can play/produce music, it's simply a tool, the same applies for 3D Modelling. I am a big fan of "open source", why would I pay the big bucks(unless I was to use it professionally). Blender stands tall along side "Maya, Max" when it comes to "Game Modelling", I personally don't see what "Maya,Max" have to offer that blender does not. Blender Offers everything a modeller needs. - Extrude,Bevel(chamfer),Scale,Inset,Smooth Groups,
- Sharp Corners(works with edge split), subsurf(turbo smooth), mirroring, arrays, curve
- live unwrap, stretching, relax, automatic unwrap, seem unwrap, projection unwrap
- baking(ao,shadows,texture,full)
- decent renderer(cycles)
I could see how some beginners might say blenders UI is difficult to navigate, but so is Max,Maya. Shortkeys are somewhat tricky to learn, but when you do learn them, it can make for some very quick modelling. PS If you want to learn how to model in blender, don't restrict yourself to just reading/watching blender tutorials. I learned how to model in blender, by watching max,maya tutorials, but I knew I could re-produce the tutorials in blender, because I took the time to learn blenders interface.
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Post by Chris B. on Dec 9, 2013 15:42:58 GMT -6
I've got to say, I've been using blender for years, ever since the 2.49 version, and I love it a whole hell of a lot more than zmod. Everything just runs smoother, and it doesn't have quirky little fits like Zmod does.
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Post by Corby on Dec 9, 2013 16:03:14 GMT -6
People bitched when zmod3 came out and they couldn't pirate it anymore and had to actually buy it of they wanted to mod the new games, SCS decides to release a filter for a free program so people can mod their games for free and you still bitch....for fuck sakes people be fucking grateful we get anything at all, jesus.... That's the only reason why i won't buy ets2 nor zmod3 lol. And i guess i'm going to have to learn blender xD (book's not bought yet lmao)
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Post by shin204 on Dec 9, 2013 22:20:35 GMT -6
The big difference between Zmod and Blender is a keyboard.(to put it bluntly) 3D modeling is both an art, and a discipline(at least for games). It takes very precise technique, AND a good sense of 3D perspective otherwise you will be...not in a good position, personally I find Zmod to be WAY to crude to even consider buying it, when I have a 10X more powerfull, and professionally proven program like Blender. Blender is basically a freeware dev tool, unlike Zmod which grabs gamers by the balls, and forces them to buy a POS software with limited features just to mod a game. Blender does have a steep learning curve...yes... But the knowledge you get from it you can actually apply to Maya and max, I was an intern at a studio called Offload Studios out of Abbotsford BC, they worked on titles such as Modracers, and little big planet for PS3 (Bill Henderson, the owner) was also approached for Avatar, but he was too small at the time, and guess what. Any new employee before they get a 3K licence of 3DSmax professional is bought for them learns on bledner. Just drill this picture of a keyboard into your skull and you will get it.
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Post by Jon on Dec 10, 2013 0:22:03 GMT -6
I'm not going to knock Blender really, I have no reason to. I don't really ever want to use zmod 3 either, and for the same reason: I just simply don't want to try learning another 3d program again since zmod was a bit of a chore to explore years ago (not by much). But just like zmod, I'm going to end up learning blender too just for the sake of modding. Because I know damn right that I'm going to be too picky with other mods people release for future games so I'll end up making my own. Even if I decide not to mod again, I know that's what I'm going to end up doing.
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Post by Quentin on Dec 10, 2013 0:57:16 GMT -6
Zm3 is a pain in the ass. Every time I try to use it I get shit about my licence not letting me perform that action or whatever, by the time I've got it working I don't feel like modding anymore. I will learn blender too, provided scs releases a new game that I actually want to mod. And that the new scs tool is done right.
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Post by Corby on Dec 10, 2013 8:24:50 GMT -6
I have to agree with my Aussie fella. I'm just going to learn blender to mod ATS. This game is going to be the shit(well, i might have put too much faith in scs there)
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Post by RBR-DUK on Dec 10, 2013 11:28:45 GMT -6
Chasing a Rabbit Have you heard about the greyhound races? Those dogs are fast! They run so fast because they’re chasing a mechanical rabbit. A friend told me that one day on a racetrack in Florida an interesting thing happened: the rabbit broke so the dogs caught it!
Now you might think that it would make the dogs happy to finally catch the rabbit after all those races in which they couldn’t quite get a bite out of him. But actually when they caught the mechanical rabbit they didn’t know what to do! They became confused and depressed — they lost their purpose. They never recovered and were ruined as race dogs. (Maybe it’s because mechanical rabbits don’t taste very good!)
What are You Chasing? The same thing happens when a gambler wins the lottery. For others, depression hits when they finally reach the top of the ladder, win the big game, get their girl, or buy the house with a picket fence. Why?
Because it’s the chase, not the catch, that excites us and helps us to feel that we have purpose and identity in life. That’s what Blaise Pascal, the brilliant Christian philosopher and scientist form France in the 17th Century, said in his classic book, Pensées (French for “thoughts”). He explained that chasing a rabbit is a diversion. We “pass the time” with entertainment, sports, games, shopping, and the like.
Most of our diversions aren’t wrong, but in and of themselves they’re just empty. They’re just ways that we’re “passing time,” distracting ourselves from the unfulfilled longings in our soul. This only guarantees that we’ll never be happy.
The Sole Cause of a Man’s Unhappiness Pascal concluded, “The sole cause of a person’s unhappiness is…”
Wait. Before I give you Pascal’s answer, how would you complete that sentence? What do you believe is the cause of people’s unhappiness? Probably you can come up with a “Christian” answer for that. But think about it practically and personally…
When you slide into a melancholy mood what triggers that?
Maybe it’s criticism or feeling rejected. Maybe it’s when you compare yourself to someone else and feel that you haven’t achieved as much, or aren’t as attractive, or don’t have as good of a life.
What is the sole cause of a man’s unhappiness? Pascal’s surprising analysis was: “The sole cause of man’s unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his own room” (Pensées #136).
Solitude as Therapy
Stay quietly in your own room. When was the last time you did that? When have you set aside some hours to stop your rabbit chasing and busyness and unplug from the noisy, entertaining world around you? ...
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Post by Colonel on Dec 10, 2013 12:09:55 GMT -6
So blender does animations. Is there any way to get animations for et2 from blender? Is there a way to export from Blender to ET2? Is it only for games like STDS and ETS2?
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Post by HighRoller on Dec 10, 2013 19:22:15 GMT -6
If some one could use this filter and write another that allows you to use the correct pmg number. I tried editing the scripts and changing the pmg version, did not do anything. I'm also no pro programmer either. Some one with the right skills should be able to fix this easy.
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Post by Jon on Dec 10, 2013 22:06:05 GMT -6
(well, i might have put too much faith in scs there) They're not valusoft's bitch anymore, I think they'll do fine...
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Post by Corby on Dec 11, 2013 5:54:26 GMT -6
(well, i might have put too much faith in scs there) They're not valusoft's bitch anymore, I think they'll do fine... THAT will help by a mile lol
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Post by Quentin on Dec 14, 2013 15:02:46 GMT -6
Well I started a blender tutorial the other night. doesn't take long before it starts to make sense. Will take a long time before I'm able to open it and start modelling, but it's really not that bad now compared to when I first opened it
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